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Not coming from an MVC background, but just working with php purely, one of the greatest challenges was to grasp frameworks and the MVC ideology. While I am sure many adhere to MCV as the standard way to push code, I lack finding basic introductions into frameworks, and while they also do seem quite tedious to get started with, my goal is purely to write some Python code into html documents.
At first glance Mako seemed as the solution to the problem, allowing me to write the Python code into html, but at second glance it seemed to require more work than just "that".
What I simply cannot find an answer to anywhere I have looked is the whole aspect of "how-to-start with Mako".
Looking at the Mako site this comes up:
<%inherit file="base.html"/>
<%
rows = [[v for v in range(0,10)] for row in range(0,10)]
%>
<table>
% for row in rows:
${makerow(row)}
% endfor
</table>
<%def name="makerow(row)">
<tr>
% for name in row:
<td>${name}</td>\
% endfor
</tr>
</%def>
Once again I see the entire templating ideology (yuk) coming up, but I just want to write Python code into my html, period. So some questions that I have are:
Once Mako is installed can I start putting Python code into HTML and it will work?
If not, then I assume I need to put the example code from above into a .py file and put base.html in the same directory? Or do I put the .py file somewhere else?
Will this work like CSS in the sense that I inside the html file include a similar fashioned call to the .py file (or .mako file or whatever its called).
Since it sounds framework'ish, will I need to put the html file and the .py/.mako in the same directory or will they also have to be separated?
EDIT: I may as well ask if I can then call my extensions .psp (even though its not mod_python).
I know many would say that this is stupid and that there are better ways of doing it and that I make a big mistake. But clearly there are no noob tutorials explaining this in finer
details, thus leaving to do it the way I see fit, ie. put Python code inside a file and be done with it.
I also looked on this mod_python, but since it seems as an old solution I would actually like to skip that one. However, I hope there is a "new" solution to embed Python into HTML.
PS. I know all the framework evangelists will jump me, but the intention is not debate how to write code. Since no noob/step-by-step tutorial can be found on either Pythons, Djangos
or Makos website and for that matter Pylons, Pyramid etc. it must therefore be assumed that anyone wanting to do this knows their framework implementation methods by heart. But I dont, so I just want to put Python code into HTML and not spend/waste time on learning something that Python already should solve perfectly in the first place.
PPS. By noob, I mean I would love to know the basics such as. Take this code and put into this type of file and put that file there. Then take this file and do that. I just could not find this what so ever anywhere. Its like a public secret.....
First, understand that unlike PHP - which is a custom developed language exclusively for web development, Python is a general purpose programming language. Using Python you can develop Windows apps, Mac apps, server side scripts, mobile applications, servers, network clients - everything and anything that a general programming allows you do to. Just like Java or C#.
Therefore, there are multiple ways to do web development in Python. Thinking "PHP is web development" is wrong, and thinking "Python web development will be like PHP web development", is also wrong.
Finally, keep in mind that since PHP was designed solely for web development, it "hides" a lot of the sundry details that go into writing code that needs to sit behind a web server and process requests and return responses in a strict format.
To do web development in Python, you first and foremost need to learn Python. This is different than PHP. You learn web development as you learn PHP (since that's its prime purpose). Once you learn Python, you can develop all sorts of applications; and many Python developers don't develop for the web.
Since no noob/step-by-step tutorial can be found on either Pythons,
Djangos or Makos website and for that matter Pylons, Pyramid etc. it
must therefore be assumed that anyone wanting to do this knows their
framework implementation methods by heart.
Mako is a template language (like Smarty). It would be pointless to use it "standalone", just like Smarty is useless without PHP behind it.
All web frameworks have beginner's guides. Some are better than others. Django has one of the best documentation of any. Start here. To use any of the frameworks, you would need to know the methods they expose. Just like you need to know the mysql_* methods of PHP to interact with MySQL.
The rest of your questions stem from the fact that Python is not like PHP; and hence what you have come to expect from PHP you didn't find in the Python ecosystem.
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Firstly, apologies for the very basic question. I have looked into other answers but they haven't quite answered what I'm after. I'm confident designing a site in HTML/CSS and have very very basic knowledge of Python.
I want to run a very basic Python script on my website. It analyses tweets about a specific topic, and then posts a sentiment analysis score. I want it to run this sentiment analysis every hour and cache the score.
I have a working Python script which does this in Jupyter Notebook. Could you give me an overview of how I would make this script function online and cache the results? I've read into using Python web frameworks, but from my limited understanding, they seem like overkill?
Thank you for your help!
Could you give me an overview of how I would make this script function online
The key thing would be to uncouple the two parts of your system:
Producing the data
Showing it in a website.
So the first thing to do is have your sentiment-analysis script push its value to a database. The database could be something as simple as a csv file, or it could be a key/value store, or something like MySQL or CouchDB (or hundreds of other choices).
Over on the website you have to make a decision between:
Server-side
Client-side
If the former, you could program in Python if that is what you are most familiar with. Whatever language/framework combination you go for, there will an example tutorial of how to read a value from a database and display it: it is just about the most fundamental thing.
If client-side you will usually be programming in JavaScript. Again you need to choose a framework, but again you should easily be able to find a tutorial to follow.
(Unless you have a good reason to prefer server-side, such as familiarity with an existing framework, or security issues with accessing your database, I'd go with a client-side approach.)
I've read into using Python web frameworks... overkill?
Yes and no. You are going to need some kind of database, and some kind of framework. It would be good to understand the basics of web security, too. If the sentiment analysis is your major goal, all that is going to be a distraction, and it might be better to find a friend who already knows web programming to work with. Or just find a tutorial that is very close to what you want to do, and adapt that.
(P.S. I was going to flag your question as "too broad", but you did ask for an overview, so I hope this helps.)
I am a front-end web developer learning Python and decided to try to create a website for a friend. The website contains an astrology calculator that will generate a chart image and reading based on a person's birth date, birth time, and birthplace. I can use either Python CGI or Django to build this. Which one is appropriate for this project?
The chart calculator will:
1. generate an image of a chart with the correct houses and signs lined up.
2. plot the planets in the correct houses in the chart
3. show the connections between the stars, like a trine, square, or conjuction.
To render images, I think HTML5 can probably work. For the server-side scripting I am leaning towards CGI because it seems like you can write real Python programs with it and just output the results with something like print "sun conjunct jupiter". Django seems to limit you to that weird syntax that forces you to write every Python expression in these <% ... %> brackets and it doesn't seem like you can import Python modules easily.
I am not extremely familiar with Django, but these seem to be some of the limitations I noticed in the Django tutorial.
What do others in the community think? Should I use CGI or Django to create this website?
I checked out other questions, but not sure if a Python mini-framework is appropriate here.
Not really sure what you're hoping to glean from this (or what the question is exactly), but you seem to be misinterpreting what the Python CGI functions and Django are.
Django is a web framework meant to expedite the process of developing a website, so you can focus on specific issues (like the chart problem you described) rather than have to tend to the infrastructure of a site. It's meant to abstract away CGI (to oversimplify it a bit). If you're looking for something less heavy than Django, perhaps try Flask or Bottle.
PS: A quick Google search showed a similar question from a few years back: My first web app (Python): use CGI, or a framework like Django?
I want to make a Python script available as a service on the net. The script, which is my first 'proper' Python program, takes a txt file as argument and writes an image into the work directory. So:
How difficult is it for somebody who is new to Python and web development?
How much work is it?
Do I need a framework (Django, cherryPy, web2py)?
Are there good tutorials?
How do I avoid the server to be compromised?
What are my next steps?
==> What is the easiest way?
In the end it is enough, if it is a white page, with some text, and a button, which when clicked, opens a file dialog. After the txt is processed, the server should just return the image, which was written on the hard drive. Already I have access to a server which has Ubuntu installed through a friend.
[update]
Thanks for all your answers. After reading them I want to stress again, that I want to have it as minimal as possible. Srikar's suggestion sounds like the easiest one:
Put it in executable directory of your OS (commonly known as CGI
path). Provide a simple HTML form & upon form submission hit this
script which executes & returns back the image you want to display.
Any objections or comments? Do you know any tutorials for that?
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I found this SO answer: File Sharing Site in Python Is this a sensible approach?
It's not too difficult. Actually, it sounds like a good first project.
That too subjective to answer. An hour to days.
No, you don't need one, but I'd use one if I were you. They abstract away some of the stuff you really don't care about, and you'll learn a tool you can use again in the future.
Plenty. If you want a real rundown of how Python works for the web, read the HOWTO from Python.org. If you just want to learn how to do this one project, pick a framework and do their tutorial.
This question is so broad and complex that I'm not going to try to answer it. Search this site, or Google, for questions like that.
Your next step should be to pick a framework; I've used Django successfully. Just download it, follow the installation instructions, and work your way through their tutorial; it should tell you everything you need to know to do what you want. If you still have questions once you've learned how to do the basics, come back and ask again!
Edit: The answer to that other question will certainly work for you. There, they just receive a GET request and respond with data from a Python file. You need to receive a GET request, respond with an HTML page (easy enough), then respond to a POST request that includes an uploaded file (slightly more complicated) and run your python routine on the uploaded file and then respond with the created image (or a link to it).
Take a look at this page which includes a simple Python script to do file uploads. You should easily be able to modify it to do what you want.
How difficult is it for somebody who is new to Python and web development?
Depends on your level of knowledge.
How much work is it?
Depends on which method you choose to solve the problem.
Do I need a framework (Django, cherryPy, web2py)?
Not necessarily - you could get started by using the CGI (http://docs.python.org/library/cgi.html)
Are there good tutorials?
Yes, there are plenty. The Python docs are an excellent place to start.
How do I avoid the server to be compromised?
Again, depends on the method you choose to solve the problem, although there are commonalities.
What are my next steps?
Dare I say it again, choose a method, read the docs, have a play!
If its just as simple as you have described it. Then you might not even need Django. You could simply use CGI scripting. All of these design decisions, depend on whether
You need (or foresee) a SQL storage?
or a Content-Management-System?
Will you need multiple-user support?
Do you need tight security?
Do you need different privileges for different users?
Do you need an Admin to manage your site?
If the answer to above questions is atleast 60% correct, then you might consider Django. otherwise, just write a python script. Put it in executable directory of your OS (commonly known as CGI path). Provide a simple HTML form & upon form submission hit this script which executes & returns back the image you want to display. So, it all depends on the features you need...
In the end, I created what I needed with Flask.
They have a well documented pattern / tutorial on Uploading Files. The tutorial is understandable even for people with little python and web expericence.
To get a first working version it took me 2h and the resulting code was only 50 lines. This includes, starting the webserver, having a html file/form with file upload and serving a file back to the user.
What are my choices for frameworks for doing Python web development and having a nice language for writing templates for CSS/HTML? A key goal for me is not to have to run a server or install many extra dependencies -- I'd like something that works just by using CGI and hopefully does not force me to do any fancy reconfiguration of Apache etc.
My goal is to write pages that look pretty very easily using templates for generating nice looking HTML with CSS, as opposed to painfully writing out HTML using print statements, and have it be modular. I don't need fancy database support and I am not planning to complex forms for user input that I need to process.
The ideal framework will also have a set of templates written in it that I can use for my website.
I essentially just want to make pages programmatically from Python that look good using CSS/HTML without much work.
How can I do this? Something like Django for example would be overkill, since what I am doing is very simple. (Django is great, don't get me wrong, but my purposes are way too simple).
More specifics about my app:
I want to make a gallery of photos and also display Python code next to each photo. So I'd like to have a way to easily get syntax highlighting etc. in HTML for Python code. Just like Wordpress has many nice templates for blogs, I'd like a combination of web framework and templating language that has a gallery examples of components I can reuse, so that I don't have to write my own CSS/HTML for making menus/headers/other components of a page look good.
thanks.
Well, you're probably not going to find a framework with templates like that included, simply because that's out of most frameworks' scopes. The page structure, variables, and the like of any given Web application are going to be considerably different from each other, so good generic templates are hard to write. The reason people have so many templates and themes for Wordpress (which, though its authors sometimes promote it as a framework, is just an application) is because there are limits on what you can do with it. Frameworks don't have as many such limits. You are probably going to have to find the templates somewhere else and adapt them to the template language you want to use.
On the subject of template languages, as far as a good, modular template language is concerned, Jinja2 is hard to beat. It's fast, easy to write in, and powerful. I have taken quite a few templates from other Web sites and added the Jinja2 markup relatively effortlessly. Flask is a nice, light framework that works well with it, and it can deploy to CGI. And as for syntax highlighting, I'm going to have to go with Ignacio and recommend Pygments. All of these libraries are well-documented, so you should be able to figure them out easily.
Unfortunately, as much as I would like to have a gallery of reusable theme components, those are not easy to find. You're going to have to scrounge around the Web and hack stuff together yourself.
There's some docs, some tools, and some more tools. Plus, flup can turn any WSGI framework into a CGI app. And there's Pygments for syntax highlighting.
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I'm a programmer with some experience working on various languages and platforms, but I lack any web development experience (apart of some very basic HTML produced by PHP).
I'm looking for a tutorial about the basics of web programming under Linux. I am less interested with apache configuration and server maintenance which I know quite well, but with the actual building of a website using modern techniques. I am familiar with python, but I'll handle any scripting language quite well.
Do you have any recommendations? Can you tell anything about the W3Schhools tutorials?
Bunch of thanks,
Udi
This is a fairly broad question you are asking. You have to be aware that there are a lot of potential answers, the ones already given here being decent ones. And you have to be aware that it is very much a platform decision that you make, whatever tutorial you choose. And that's because web (application) development is a complex thing that can be addressed on various levels (particularly outside the MS world).
I have no close knowledge about the W3Schools you mention, but on first glance it looks they will be teaching you a lot of basic frontend technology: HTML, XHTML, Javascript, CSS and the like. This is not bad and will give you a solid foundation in these things. But web development is usually not done on this level, as it is too tedious and inflexible for larger applications. And you would be missing out on backend/database technology altogether.
Then there are platforms (and I would guess this is the majority) which have a templating approach. You implement page and business logic in a mix of HTML and programming code in some language (Python, Perl, PHP, ...) within an HTML file that is then processed by an engine to generate the final HTML for the user interface and transaction code for the database. Django and TurboGears are the prominent Python representatives of this, Ruby on Rails probably the biggest name currently. But there are a lot others (how about Scala/Lift?), so it's worth taking the time to see which one you like best. They usually do a good job for the database handling. On the UI side you still have page changes.
In that vein there are platforms that try to move away from HTML with embedded code to a pure programmatical approach. You just write code and use specific APIs of the given platform. "Compiling" your project in one way or the other will then generate all the necessary stuff which you have to deploy in a runtime environment. I think Google's GWT and Eclipse RAP are such approaches, and if you think, dream and breath in Java, this is probably for you.
Yet another approach is interesting when page changes in the browser (the most disruptive part of the web experience) is not good enough anymore, when you want desktop-like user interfaces. The way to attack this is to create "fat web clients", with lots of interaction logic built in, usually in Javascript, and have them interact with a server backend only for essential data transfer using Ajax, REST or RPC protocols. Candidates for the client technology are e.g. qooxdoo or Dojo. On the server side you can still use whatever technology you are comfortable with (from RoR to Servlets and beyond). If I had my pick, I would choose qooxdoo for the frontend, and Erlang/CouchDb on the backend.
You have specifically asked about tutorials, and I haven't mentioned a lot. The point I was trying to make was whatever you choose, it is most likely that you will invest quite a bit of time and effort in that technology since they are all quite deep, and will stick with it for some time. During your evaluation you will also check the instructional material for the given platform (don't forget online videos - they're big these days), but this will inevitably be specific. AFAICS, there is no such thing as a "general introduction" to web programming.
With your Python knowledge, you'll might find tutorials like Django useful. It is modern enough to be used in Google App Engine.
Also try the TurboGears tutorial, another Python web framework. This will give you a different angle on (modern) web programming.
Find an introduction and many pointers to other frameworks on Wikipedia.
Ruby on Rails is really interesting for rapid development. It's clean, it's neat, and it lets you focus on the important things like your database and front end.
There are a plethora of RoR tutorials. There are almost two hundred Railscast tutorial videos on loads of subjects. They get pretty in depth too.
There are also plenty of places to look for help on your current app. APIDock is pretty good for finding method uses and how different parts of Rails work. You might also consider going on freenode IRC and getting in the Ruby chatroom: #ruby.
Hope that's helpful!
ok ... the most important thing is to completely abstract your output mechanism (this may even seem trivial to you, but the truth is, too many people disobey that rule and too few tutorials emphasize this point), so that behind a concise API you have some rendering engine (bet it for HTML, XML, JSON or what so ever), most probably using templates ... this is one of the fundamental aspects of request based web applications (this is the actual difference to desktop apps to me) and covered by any better framework ... using MVC architectures is the next step ... there are tons of MVC frameworks for nearly any server language that do A LOT of work for you ... and MVC is perfect for request based apps ... the seperation between business logic and output generation works just about PERFECT ... the key point to a scalable web application is the implementation of your business logic, which in general always involves databases ... this is also a thing you'll have to work with a lot ... creating good HTML templates is a hell of a work, but i'd claim it is relatively easy once you get the hang of it ... no need to come up with super creative solutions and new approaches here ... plus, to me, styling and skinning is replacable ... it is far more difficult to design a good UI that exposes your functionality in the most efficient way, than to implement it, or even make it fancy ...
in your place, i wouldn't delve too much into CSS unless you really want to DESIGN pages (find someone else to do it. maybe even the HTML templates. seriously, you will learn to hate that VERY quickly, especially if you try to get it work in IE7 or lower). rather try to produce rocksolid semantically well structured HTML (good for SEO and accessibility (look at progressive enhancement for that matter)) and learn JavaScript. look at some good frameworks ... jQuery, Ext ... whatever ... don't reinvent the wheel here ...
apart from that, haxe might be of interest for you ... many helpful libraries on
haxelib ...
well, hope that helps ... ;)
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back2dos
There are a few sources to learn HTML, javascript and CSS which is what you were asking for. w3schools is a little company from Norway with not always very good article, but can be used as a quick reference.
I would recommend the following two
WASP InterAct Curriculum
Web Standards Curriculum
There is also HTTP which most people do not really grok. A good way of understanding HTTP is going through REST as an architecture style. Joe Gregorio has created a wonderful series of articles to implement a Web service step by step.
The RESTful Web
Hope it helps.
If you think testing is important, you might be interested in following a TDD (test-driven-development) approach - so, learning how to test Python web apps is as important as learning how to code Python web apps...
I've written a tutorial that starts from zero, aiming to teach Python web development and TDD at the same time. It covers browser-based testing with Selenium as well as unit testing.
http://www.tdd-django-tutorial.com/
comments and suggestions welcomed!