When we uninstall any software sometimes we find some registry files in registry. Is it same to Python programming installation?
If you use the uninstaller to uninstall Python it should clean everything up. However if you're particularly paranoid about leftover registry entries, PEP 514 defines where Python creates registry entries. Note that Python doesn't necessarily need to make registry entries in the first place:
Python environments are not required to be registered unless they want to be automatically discoverable by external tools.
The system path however may still have the path to the previous python installation in it, as per this SO question here. Further searching reveals more useful information about removing Python.
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I tried to update Python 3.8.5. to 3.8.10 on a Windows 7 machine, but some part of Python's and/or pip's messy installer/path/package management system bricked everything. Nobody I asked knows a canonical solution to this + pretty much everybody is suggesting a complete reinstallation.
Which is why I've now completely removed Python and have to reinstall Python, pip, and all my packages one by one. I've already uninstalled/removed Python and pip and downloaded the official Python 3.8.10 64-bit Windows installer as well as get-pip.py.
But despite spending days and days of reading, I can't see through Python's complicated mess of "user-specific vs. local vs. system-wide" installation schemes, varying package installations paths, the seemingly arbitrary variations introduced by using python vs. python -m, pip install vs. pip install --user etc. during package installations, and the regular whining about some PATH environment variables not being set properly etc. pp. - if you've ever used Python professionally, you'll have an idea of what I'm describing here.
Anyway - what I want to do now is make one clean installation where I stick to one set of rules for everything. All packages installed to one single superdirectory (vs. getting scattered all over the system) and all PATH variables set accordingly to the most universal and complete configuration possible (I don't want to see any complaints from Python ever again in this regard). Note that I'm the administrator of the machine, but working from a normal user account with Windows UAC enabled and want an installation for all users - the most general solution possible, no limiting scenarios that may cause the very problems I'm trying to avoid.
Also, I do not want to use virtual environments for now, but this is different topic I'm already working on independently. So no suggestions regarding venv.
Question: How to procede with the installation?
Possible sub-issues that need to be addressed:
Correct privileges for the Windows installer, e.g. the confusing "for all users (requires elevation)" and subsequent (second!) "Install for all users" options. The latter changes the installation path from C:\Users\<Username>\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38 to C:\Program Files\Python38 and Windows UAC may prevent access of Python and/or pip to C:\Program Files\ without proper exception handling (e.g. user prompt) in place:
Usage of get-pip.py vs. some other methods to install pip, which also concerns the usage of python vs. python -m vs. pip install vs. pip install --user etc. in this context and subsequent installation of user packages.
Prevention of scattering/fragmentation of the Python development framework over the system/different folders/different users, causing e.g. annoying PATH or dependency issues/conflicts.
Defining the correct set of Windows path variables under these requirements and addressing concerns/doubts about Python's and pip's ability of reliably handling this issue on their own.
Note: I'm the owner/only user on this machine and therefore have administrator rights. Managing installations/environments for multiple users is not the subject here and of no interest for me.
Anyway - what I want to do now is make one clean installation where I stick to one set of rules for everything. All packages installed to one single superdirectory (vs. getting scattered all over the system) and all PATH variables set accordingly to the most universal and complete configuration possible (I don't want to see any complaints from Python ever again in this regard).
This is contradictory. A single installation with a common set of rules, every possible installed package, comprehensive PATH etc. is inherently not "clean". The point of maintaining separate installations is so that one user's changes do not unexpectedly impact on the operation of another user's code. It is not possible to do this with a single installation. If you upgrade a library, for example, it affects every user who wrote code that uses that library, who must now check for incompatibilities.
Correct privileges for the Windows installer, e.g. the confusing "for all users (requires elevation)" and subsequent (second!) "Install for all users" options.
The first one means "Install the launcher for all users", which is why that checkbox is on the same line as "py launcher". (If you are not familiar with the Python launcher for Windows, please read the documentation.) it says "(requires elevation)" because the installer requires elevation in order to install this feature for all users. You do not need to do this if you have installed it from a previous version of Python.
and subsequent (second!) "Install for all users" options.
This is the option to install this version of Python for all users. The install directory changes according to the "for all users" setting, in the expected way.
Windows UAC may prevent access of Python and/or pip to C:\Program Files\ without proper exception handling (e.g. user prompt) in place
It will prevent write access without elevation, yes. This is by design, and it is why the option exists for per-user installations.
pip requires write access, because its purpose is to install libraries. I do not know whether it can request elevation from the command prompt; probably not. You can work around this by using the command in an elevated command window. With UAC enabled, you will not be able to install libraries into a Python for-all-users installation (i.e., in Program Files): it is the explicit purpose of UAC to prevent that sort of thing.
Python normally does not require write access to these directories. The standard library does not need write access once the library is installed. There might be a problem if you uncheck "Precompile standard libraries"; I have not tested this and have stopped using Windows. Third-party libraries normally will not require write access for their own installation directories, either. If you encounter a problem, consult the documentation for that library.
Usage of get-pip.py vs. some other methods to install pip, which also concerns the usage of python vs. python -m vs. pip install vs. pip install --user etc. in this context and subsequent installation of user packages.
get-pip etc. are deprecated. They are tools intended to account for the fact that Python didn't always come bundled with pip. It does now. pip works the same way regardless of whether it was bundled with Python or installed to an older Python version separately. There is not a clear question here; there are several specific things that need to be researched and understood about how to use pip.
I have to do a new course for University using python. A year or so ago I have installed Anaconda, but never really worked with it. Before starting I wanted to update everything, so I uninstalled my python and Anaconda version and reinstalled the newest version (I know I could have just updated everything).
I would like to work with VS2017, since this is the IDE I'm used to work with (coming from a c# background), however within the python environment window, my old versions are still visible, although with a strike-through font:
VS2017 has no option to remove the broken/uninstalled environments, but refers you to this website. In the bottom section there is a description to my solve my problem. Normally I don't really like to edit the registry, since I'm not know my way around this stuff, however this being directly from the learn.microsoft.com pages, I thought it was ok.
Problem only is, the changes didn't have any effect on my issue whatsoever.
(already did the obvious stuff like restarting VS2017 and Windows).
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My problem is that I wanted to run the python script skeleton we got from the course to check if all the modules and python itself is working properly. However I always get a dll load failed error on some of the modules (matplotlib for example). Running the scripts on other IDEs (like Anaconda's integrated Spyder IDE) however works just fine, so I know the modules are good to go on my machine. I wanted to rule the above mentioned issue out as source of error before looking further.
Checking with Process Monitor (starting up VS with monitoring active, up to bringing up the Python environments list in it; then stopping monitoring and setting filters: Process name is devenv.exe, Path contains python, conda or ContinuumAnalytics (three separate filters)) shows that VS searches these locations for Python installation data:
Registry keys, under HKCU (the document fails to mention this) and HKLM:
\Software\Python and \Software\Wow6432Node\Python (which is seen as the former by 32-bit processes)
Files:
<user profile>\.conda directory
It also looks for conda.exe in a few locations
I don't have it, but if I did, it would be possible to see with procmon which command lines VS is invoking it with. Then you could e.g. do the same yourself and see what information VS gets from it.
If VS finds the entries that you list, something referring to what you see in the list must be under these locations somewhere.
To remove the entries, as I already mentioned,
First check if you have the corresponding product installed and uninstall it if you do. Entries under HKCU refer to products installed per-user so you'll have to run appwiz.cpl as yourself (or rather, as the same user that you run VS as) to see them.
If you really don't have it installed, do the usual manual cleansing procedure. Delete anything from the registry and disk that looks relevant (by name, location), including the above entries. At your own risk, of course. For VS to stop finding them, deleting the entries should be enough. You can also try to reinstall and uninstall the exact same version of software (which can be tricky to find) and hope it uninstalls correctly this time.
To correct python environment in Visual Studio that doesn't have a repair option, or to remove an invalid environment, use the following steps to modify the registry directly. Visual Studio automatically updates the Python Environments window when you make changes to the registry.
Run regedit.exe.
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Python. For IronPython, look
for IronPython instead.
Expand the node that matches the distribution, such as Python Core
for CPython or ContinuumAnalytics for Anaconda. For IronPython,
expand the version number node.
Inspect the values under the InstallPath node:
If the environment still exists on your computer, change the value of ExecutablePath to the correct location. Also correct the (Default) and WindowedExecutablePath values as necessary.
If the environment no longer exists on your computer and you want to remove it from the Python Environments window, delete the parent node of InstallPath, such as 3.6 in the image above.
Ref: Microsoft Doc - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/python/managing-python-environments-in-visual-studio?view=vs-2019#fix-or-delete-invalid-environments
I currently have a rather complex Python configuration that has evolved over the years, and I'd like to clean it up and "modernize" it.
The existing configuration has a the default macOS Python, and Homebrew's Python 3 and Python 2 all existing side-by-side, along with their associated Pips. I also have some python command line tools that these Pythons or their associated installed packages have created, and which I use more or less frequently.
What I'd like to do is:
Leave macOS Python untouched
Eliminate all Homebrew Python's
Remove non-macOS Python 2 entirely
Switch to Conda Python as my Python 3
Have access to mkvirtualenv (as an alternative to creating environments) with virtualenvwrapper
Have access to Jupyter
I'm not sure how to do this without creating problems, and want to confirm that the obvious thing is the safe thing:
use Homebrew to uninstall its Pythons,
install Conada, and then
use (Conda's) pip to install mkvirtualenv, virtualenvwrapper, and Jupyter (and any other tools I subsequently need)
Is that the correct procedure? Is so are there particular forms of the commands I should use or options I should chose for them?
The biggest and/or first issue is how to not break existing functionality that relies on Python. There are two broad camps here:
1) tools and other scripts that hard-code the Python executable's location, and
2) tools and other scripts that rely on the/a system PATH variable.
#1 is the easier one. If you aren't going to remove any Python versions, then these are no work at all...these will keep working. If you do want to uninstall some Python versions, then you have to work to switch any tools relying on those versions you want to remove to another version that also works for that tool. The path in question is commonly in a shebang ('#! xxx') line at the top of each main Python binary, but there are other ways that the path to the Python binary can be formed. In short, why uninstall anything? Disk space is cheap. Maybe instead just make sure that these unwanted versions are not referenced by any PATH variables.
#2 is the hard one. It isn't necessarily the case that all of the tools in this category are using the version of Python you get when you just type "python" at a command prompt for your primary account. There can be other modes of operation that initialize the execution environment (the PATH variable) in different ways, and so may be running different Python versions despite depending on the value of PATH.
Part of #2 is worrying about not just "python" references, but "python2", "python3", and possibly other variants as well.
Only once you've got a plan for dealing with the above so you don't break things can you worry about possibly getting rid of Python versions and installing new ones. Hopefully, Brew does a good job of uninstalling the versions it's installed, so if you can remove dependencies on one or more of them, they can potentially be easily removed. If you've got self-installed Python versions, those should be easy to uninstall as well by just removing references to them in PATH variables (or not...shouldn't be a big problem if you miss some) and then deleting the install directory.
Then there's adding the new version(s) of Python. This can only affect #2 above. You have to think about that one and know what affect you're going to have if the new install(s) manipulate any PATH variables. If it only manipulates your own user's PATH, or it leaves it to you to do so, this is a much easier to understand task, but any change to the environment is a chance to break existing functionality.
Finally, there's the mechanisms for choosing different Python versions for new development, including the use of virtual envs. This is probably the easiest part, as you can do research, try things, and test that you can do whatever you want to do. This part of the problem is the best bounded.
I don't know anything about Jupyter, other than knowing vaguely what it is, so I don't know how that complicates all this.
UPDATE: A final note. As you may already know, Python does a good job of isolating itself in terms of each version keeping its unique identity. If you use the right 'pip' and 'easy_install' that are sitting right next to the 'python' binary you're going to run with, you should be cleanly affecting just that one environment. I can't know that it's this easy for all Python versions, but I've never seen this convention broken by a version of Python that I've used. The complications here, of course, involve which versions of these tools you're getting in various situations when they are found via a PATH variable.
First, install anaconda or miniconda. The installation is non-destructive and does not conflict with your other Python installations. Check that it works before you consider removing homebrew installed Pythons.
The conda command is used both as a package manager and as an environment manager. You cannot avoid creating conda environments: the default installation is already part of an environment named base. I'm not sure why you would want to, either.
You can use pip to install any package you choose into a conda environment, but since you can use conda install for any package available on any conda channel (e.g. 'defaults', 'conda-forge'), using pip often is redundant.
You could use non-conda virtual environments, but again: why? conda create -n foo python=x.x jupyter #etc and then conda activate foo is all you need to get one up and running.
First of all let me state that I am a proponent of generic software (in general ;-). I am no expert on Python, but it seems that the 'virtualenv' utility solves pretty much the same problem 'chroot' can help to solve - bootstrapping a directory tree that can be passed as root, thus effectively protecting the real directory tree, if needed.
Since I am no expert in Python as already mentioned, I wonder - what problem can virtualenv solve that chroot cannot? I mean, can't I just set up a nice fake root tree (possibly using union mounting), chroot into it, and do pip install a package I want in my new environment, and then play around within the bounds of my new environment, running python scripts and what not?
Am I missing something here?
Update:
Can't one install packages/modules locally in whatever application directory, I mean, without root privileges and subsequently without overwriting or adding files to /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib? It appears that this is what virtualenv does, however I think it has to symlink or otherwise provide a python interpreter for each environment one creates, does it not?
bootstrapping a directory tree that can be passed as root
That's not what virtualenv does, except (to some degree) for Python packages. It provides a place where these can be installed without replacing the rest of the filesystem. It also works without root privileges and it's portable as it needs no kernel support, unlike chroot, which (I presume) won't work on Windows.
Can't one install packages/modules locally in whatever application directory
Yes, but virtualenv does one more thing, which is that it disables (by default at least) the system's Python package directories. That means you can test whether your package correctly installs all of its dependencies (you might have forgotten to list one because it's already installed on your system) and it allows installing different versions in case you need either newer or older versions. The ability to install older versions should not be overlooked because sometimes new versions of packages introduce bugs.
I have reinstalled my operating system (moved from windows XP to Windows 7).
I have reinstalled Python 2.7.
But i had a lot of packages installed in my old environment.
(Django, sciPy, jinja2, matplotlib, numpy, networkx, to name just a view)
I still have my old Python installation lying around on a data partition, so i wondered if i can just copy-paste the old Python library folders onto the new installation?
Or do i need to reinstall every package?
Do the packages keep any information in registry, system variables or similar?
Does it depend on the package?
That's the point where you must be able to layout your project, thus having special tools for that.
Normally, Python packages do not do such wierd things as dealing with registry (unless they are packaged via MSI installer). The problems may start with packages that contain C extensions, so moving to another version of OS or from 32 to 64-bit architecture will require recompiling/rebuilding of those. So, it would be much better to reinstall all packages to new system as written below.
Your demands may vary, but you definitely must choose the way of building your environment. If you don't have and plan to have a large variety of projects you may consider the first approach as follows below, the second approach is more likely for setting up development environment for different projects or for different versions of the same project.
Global environment (your Python installation in your system along with installed packages).
Here you can consider using pip. In this case your project can have requirements file containing all needed packages for your project. Basically, requirements file is a text file containing package names (on PyPI and their versions).
Isolated environment. It can be achieved using special tools or specially organized path.
Here where pip can be gracefully combined with virtualenv. This way is highly recommended by a lot of developers (I must remind that Python 3.3 that will soon be released contains virtualenv as a part of standard library). This approach assumes creating virtual shell with its own instance of Python interpreter and installed packages.
Another popular tool for achieving isolated environment is called buildout. It lays out your project source and dependencies in one path so you achieve the same effect as virtualenv creates. The great advantage of buildout that it's built upon an idea of pluggable recipes (pieces of code implementing different common project deployment tasks) and there are hundreds of stable and reliable recipes over Internet.
Both virtualenv and buildout help you to remove head-ache when installing dependencies and solve the problem of different versions of the same package kept on a single machine.
Choose your destiny...
The short answer to this question is "no", since packages can execute arbitrary code on installation and do whatever the heck they want wherever they want on your system.
Just reinstall all of them.